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HELP My Friend's New I5 7th Generation System

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Harley Den, Apr 5, 2017.

HELP My Friend's New I5 7th Generation System

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Harley Den, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    Hello guys! I just wanted to share that my very close friend (who is a gamer just ike me) has recently built a gaming system.

    Specs are:

    1. Thermaltake Versa N21 Window Mid-tower Chassis - CA-1D9-00M1WN-00

    2. Corsair VS650 - 650 Watt Power Supply

    3. Intel Core i5-7400 Kaby Lake Processor

    4. Asus ROG STRIX B250F GAMING Intel Socket 115

    5. Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz

    6. GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD

    7. 120GB SSD

    Is now looking for PC games that can put his machine to testing. Any suggestions?

    Feel free to answer!
  2. Saundie

    Saundie Prototype Staff Member Tagged

    Can it run Crysis? ;)
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  3. SexyHyde

    SexyHyde Tagged

    Could he not have waited for Ryzen 5?
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  4. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    He did and it worked just fine :D

    I am impress by linus tech videos too!
  5. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    Nope! he waited a lot but ultimately ran out of all patience and built this machine. Ryzen however is on my to do list. Will probably make it by the fall.
  6. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    Btw, give me some good names of games. He has played FarCry 4, Crysis 3, Battlefield 4 and 3 and it run smoothly.
  7. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    There are a few games that most benchmarkers use with video reviewers. Stuff like witcher 3, battlefield 1, gta 5 for real world resting then there are the usual synthetic test like 3d mark and a new one out by the makers of valley and heaven benchmark as they are now pretty old in the tooth and don;t really tax a setup anymore.

    it called superposistion and you can get it here.

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  8. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    Thanks man will give it a visit
  9. Harley Den

    Harley Den Private

    Hey just one question. Why don't I get notifications on this forum?
  10. AkselVerg

    AkselVerg Newbie

    Dude, can I ask you some questions? I'm an absolute noob in this topic, so I hope you'll tell me) The bottom line is that I'm now picking up components for my future PC (I have not bought anything yet, but I'm just trying to make a plan for the future PC.) As I said, I do not understand this and in the process of gathering information about components for PC I came across several incomprehensible moments.

    The first one is a video card. Which is better to take? I`ve noticed that basically the competition is going between the video cards from NVIDIA and AMD. Can you describe in simple words the advantages and disadvantages of each of them? And with pleasure I'll listen to your advice about what it's better to take.
    The second is SSD and HDD. I do not understand this at all, you can see in my build that the SSD is worth 120GB. Is this enough? After all, only Windows takes about 30GB where to install the games then? I obviously do not understand what it is but the point is to replace HDD with SSD, in addition to such a small amount? And at the price in my opinion it is unprofitable .. (I've seen a few reviews on SSD https://www.bestadvisers.co.uk/ssds, so if you take SSD at least 500GB it's much more profitable to buy for the same price an HDD 1TB, or I do not understand something?)

    I hope you can clarify for me these moments
  11. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    First of Akselverg Hi and welcome.

    Now on to the topic at hand. In the video card market for gamers there are only two choices really AMD and Nvidia. You can play games with the onboard Intel graphics but it more to do with people who don;t want to fuss around with grahpics cards and get your system up and running.

    Both Vendors offer graphics cards at varying pricepoints. So there are a few important things to consider. FIrstly what monitor do oyu have and then your budget. Depending on what monitor you are getting can determine what graphics is more suitable for you.

    For Example If a monitor has Gsync (This limits the amount of screen tearing at a given frequency) and Freesync ( Amd take on the screen tearing) it a bit more complicated that that but I thought I would keep it simple. Then the resolution of the monitor. The higher the resolution then the more powerful graphics card you will need.

    So if you are going to game at 1080p A mid priced graphics card might suffice. But if you wanted to game at 4k with all the settings up high then the graphics card choice is more limited. So any info regading the monitor you game on or intend to game on then the gorks could advise you better.

    So the HDD and SSD questtion well even though windows only takes 20-30gb the most popular games like GTA5, BAttlefield 1 etc take 50-60gb each so you can see a ssd would fill up quickly. SO many people use tthe SSD for the operating system and a secondary hard drive for games, movies, music etc.

    So which manufacturer to go for? This is kinda of tricky subject. I will say typically if you were after price per performance then AMD over the past few years have been the way to go. ANd if you wanted the no compromise outright performance and money is not an issue then Nvidia are the ones. On this forums a majority of the users probably about 60+% are Nvidia based. Butt there is quite an AMD following here. Person to seek out regarding AMD gfx cards is a user called sexyhyde. He knows more about AMD cards as he is a big advocate of price per performance crew. I know nothing of the AMD lineup as I haven;t used their graphics cards in years.

    The price per GB even though SSD's are getting cheaper is still nowhere as cheap as a hard drive. What are the pros and cons. Well SSD are faster than HDD's, produce no noise and no heat as there are no mechanical moving parts. Due to the very nature of SSDs I feel the overall system responsiveness feels better with a SSD as a boot drive then a HDD. And the cons. Well the price per GB is not as good as HDD so if you are on a tight budget and only can get one storage/os device a hard drive may be better. Also they can be a bit tricky to get setup if you have an older motherboard and not sure what the right drivers are for it and to enable AHCI mode.

    Hard drives have the advantage of thte lowest price per GB and the amount of storage you can get at a given price compared to SSD's that is it main advantage. Some may argue the only advantage but that is subjective. It main disadvantege is comapred to SSDs it is much slower and it has moving mehcanical parts. Any device which has mechanical moving parts will produce heat and noise. How much depends on each manufacturer unit.

    In my Gaming machine I have no HDD's. Just one big NVME drive ( which is an extension of SSD's but faster and more expensive).

    So a lot depends on your usage. If you are a keen photographer which means you will be working with a lot of RAW images then a Hard drive would be better. Or if you are going to rip a lot of blu rays then a hard drive is the way to go.

    Butt if your sole aim is to game then a decent size SSD or if your budget can stretch to then a NVME but i think from reading your post a SSD would suffice.

    So Identify the usage of the new machine, budget.

    Hope that helps.
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2017
  12. AkselVerg

    AkselVerg Newbie

    Thank you very much for such a detailed answer, as I understood, I can buy an SSD and use my old HDD as an additional hard drive?
    As for the Monitor.... I do not plan to play 4K games, I just need good graphics and quiet passing games like Dark Souls 3 or Witcher 3 without lags. Monito, I have a gaming BenQ RL2755.

    About the budget so far I can not say for sure since I do not know how much I will have after paying the apartment rent))
  13. Saundie

    Saundie Prototype Staff Member Tagged

    The problem with AMD cards at the moment is that they are extremely popular among bitcoin miners, and so they're either selling for an inflated price or not available at all. The upcoming VEGA based cards are poised to compete even more aggressively with nVidia, so it may be worth waiting for them to land before making a decision on which card; unless, of course, you're not in a position to wait. With regards to everything else GorkedWings19 said, he is right on the money, and I must bow before his superior gork prowess.
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  14. SexyHyde

    SexyHyde Tagged

    It's not Bitcoin, but Ethereum and ZCash. Only get a 570 or 580 if you plan on mining crypto, it's a great way of making your money back but if you are purely gaming then the price to performance of the cards is just way off at the minute. It pains me to say it but go for the Nvidia option, I think a 1050/1060 would be the comparable alternatives.

    Get an SSD boot drive 250GB minimum - Trust me i've got 60GB and had 120GB drives and for a main use system 250GB or larger will save you so much time not having to move and plan on where your stuff is going. Although 60GB SSDs make great drives for single purpose machines like NASs or HTPCs or Mining rigs. If money is too tight MAYBE consider an SSHD, don't use a HDD for Windows as they regularly become unusable after a while - SERIOUSLY just don't do it.
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  15. AkselVerg

    AkselVerg Newbie

    Thank you both) I'm not limited in time and I really have nowhere to rush (I think I can live a couple of months without "heavy" games, as I used to do before))) So I'll wait until the release, if there are more questions on this topic - I know Where I should to contact )
  16. SexyHyde

    SexyHyde Tagged

    I've just looked and Amazon have some RX 480/580 for a reasonable price although for pre order, I ordered a load of RX 480's on pre order and they took between 1 and 2 weeks to arrive, so they still might be worth considering if you don't mind the wait. The 470 / 570 and 480 / 580 are essentially the same cards with the 500 cards having an improved power delivery which enables them to clock higher, but I've found the 480's better than the 580 as the performance difference is slight and they run cooler. Although i'm selling my RX 470 4GB (as i've got no use for it now i've got all these 480's) for gaming at 1080p I was perfectly happy with it. If you can find a bargain ~£170 and budget is tight it's fine. otherwise get a 480/580 8GB for £230-240.
  17. DragonSVD

    DragonSVD Professional Target Staff Member Tagged

    so just buy red's leftovers for a fraction and you get a top tear gaming rig....
  18. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    Funnily enough I have a spare 1080ti and a 34 asus 100hz monitor....see you in another 3 months