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HELP Time For A New Build, Need Help

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by code001, Nov 4, 2013.

HELP Time For A New Build, Need Help

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by code001, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. code001

    code001 Tagged

    awesome guys! more awesome gorky suggestions here, just what I need :D
    First of all Redders, in my preview build I have been going for the NH-D14 for a couple days there is no need to further pick on Ralthen ;) Sticking with air coolers for this build. Been realizing that the tactic of starting with 32 GB ram and move up to 64 GB later was an overkill, so probably going to do 16 GB to 32 GB. Know that 32 sounds a lot for you but since I am video editing a lot more than I am gaming nowadays it is just so damn sweet not having to wait for rendering and seeing the result of your work and settings straight away without having to wait ages for your computer to load it in just so you can see it looks horrible and needs to be changed again ;)

    So no need to restrict myself to a 2011 socket, doing this from scratch again too see what I can come up with.

    Been fiddling about trying to include the stuff you guys have been recommending, here is where my build is atm. what do you reckon?

    Cheers for the help guys :p hopefully this build can get a BFB approved in a few days so I can have this rig by the end of next week
  2. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    Right let's see. Like I said I donl't know how hardcore you are about video editing and I don;t do any video editing so I have no quantifiable experience on how much memory usage would or would not be. my reason for you to go 16gb is a)it's cheaper for obvious reasons. b)if you really found it was not enough you could allows update at a later date when funds where available.

    Looking at your build here are my thoughts off the cuff...

    Don;t get crucial ballistix memory. While Crucial SSd's are proven and reliable the crucial ballistix ram are not. While more overclockable than say corsair or gskill equivalent ram they have an extremely high failure rate. Don't do it. Samsung greens. corsair, team group ram and gskill are the only viable choices.

    The crucail m500 is a good choice I have two of them but I think at this time in the SSD market you could go maybe something like a samsung evo.

    There are 3 companies that I find are the most proven and reliable in the SSD area compared to other manufacturers Crucial, Samsung, Intel.

    While I have no problem with your choice of gfx card or case the combo isn;t really synergistic. Let me explain why. As good as the amd card is it going to run hot. Now I have no problems which run at high temps. But When you take into account a fractal case design is more about silence then lows temps are not going to be happening and neither with the airflow.

    That amd card will be cooking and with the 4770k even with the noctua dh14 will be running hot if it overclocked in fractal design case I just don;t like it.

    There are two options here that I can see.

    Either change the gfx card and stay with the fractal design or stay with the card and change the case, Consider something like a corsair http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-143-CS&groupid=2362&catid=1489

    On a slightly different note. For suggesting that I stop picking on ralthen you have now been added to my gorkel **** list. I may take you off one day but with ralthen never!:)

    P.s you need the non skt 2011 dh14 to fit your cpu and motherobard as that is skt 1150
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  3. GFiSH

    GFiSH Staff Member Tagged Donator

    +1 for a Samsung 840 Evo SSD. I've got one and live it, although I've not really got any experience with other SSD's so can't compare.

    The only experience I have with other SSD's is the Crucial M4. We bought a load at work for use in some custom PC's we built for our development team and pretty much all of them have failed and had to get RMA'd. Because of that I will avoid them. As Redders has said though, Crucial are a decent SSD brand and they tend to get good reviews so maybe we had a dodgy batch.
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2013
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  4. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    I think there was an issue with the M4 at the beginning of it lifecycle where if it was on a certain amount of hours it would brick. There was a firmware flash for it though.

    I really hate to be one of those people after someone has aired a grievance about a particular item then the next few posts are always the owners of the said product claiming never to have any issues.

    Since the SSD was introduced I have only ever used crucial SSD's. Although if I ever do another build while I wouldn't mind using them again I think i
    I would switch to the Samsung Evo or Pro.
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  5. GFiSH

    GFiSH Staff Member Tagged Donator

    That's good to know Redders, I'll see if I can find some new firmware for them.
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  6. code001

    code001 Tagged

    allright, I have messed with my list even more now,
    Right NH-D14 cooler :p
    Changed to a Samsung EVO SSD
    swapped the RAM to Corsair DDR3 Low Profile

    where I am right now, http://www.komplett.se/k/shoplist.a...07662&su=EC4E6FA0-4427-4DED-9B96-D05052E14D32
    Old link works as well, it should update continuously as I do changes to my list.

    Struggling with the GFX/Case decision. Problem is I don't want a case with more LED lights than a frecking christmas tree nor with one of those window-sides that shows the parts inside and those Corsair carbide air series are just too wide for my desktop. Really like the Fractal case design and read some good reviews on it but you probably know the best, you think this GFX card will get overheated even though I probably won't over-clock it? If yes, would a case like the Corsair carbide 500R be better when it comes to airflow?

    Please do carry on picking on Ralthen then. I don't know what that list of yours I've been put on really means but doubt I want to know so my sincere apologies for anything I've ever said that might have offended you/not offended Ralthen enough ;)
  7. GoRedwings

    GoRedwings Tagged Donator

    Okay let's assume you won;t overclock it. Now currently at the moment reference amd cards versus reference nvidia cards like for like models in this sceanrio nvidias run cooler in general. It doesn;t have to be this way if they just used a better design reference cooler. Besides running hotter the fan has to work harder to keep it cool.

    Now if has been a while since I have owned an amd card but they are frightfully loud when under load. Sure nvidias can run loud but never to the levels of an amd reference card.

    Now you can wait a bit and wait on the third party cooler/manufacturer designs and this should help with cooling and percieved loudness levels. And it should be more than acceptable for you. Th e problem is now it is winter time and it difficult to determine when the summer months arrive how hot it will get.

    I have a fixed time period where I build pc's. I always build in the summer as I know it is the hottest time of the year and for my uses I want to know how hot it runs in a worst case sceanario.

    You don;t have to use a corsair case if you don't want to. it was just a quick suggestion off the top of my head. You could be more than fine with the fractal design case. There is no way for me to tell unless i get one. Although I do have a corsair 550d which is corsair answer to cases like the fractal design. So I am basing my analysis off that even though they are different manufacturers. But I didn't take into account the tinkering bug would hit me again so I based it off that I would be using sli 670's.

    At the end of the day It not about me knowing what's best for you as I really don't. Most of it is trial and error based on my experiences and even then it not a given.

    if you really liked what you see about the fractal design and the reviews impress you and as the money is yours to spend then go for it. It doesn;t matter what I say s the primary concern is that you are happy with it.

    You knows I wouldn;t put you on a gorkel **** list. it just a ruuning joke I am having with Ralthen.
  8. Ralthen

    Ralthen Tagged

    been looking at the fractal case since you mentioned it code, as long as you willing to move the hard drive cages around and possibly remove the 2nd one you can put up to 7 case fans in, 2 on the front, 1 on the back , 2 at the top and 2 on the side panel as seems is optional to put them on the base of the case as well thou will depend on if you move the hard drive racks , the case supports up to 14cm fans so you should have some fairly decent airflow

    And redders at least take a proper look at the case before you disagree with it :)
  9. code001

    code001 Tagged

    Allright going to order my rig today, just fiddling around and looking at cheapest places to order from but except that pretty much done.

    Here's what I am gonna get:
    Corsair Obsidian 750D
    Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H
    Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB
    Intel Core i7-4770K
    Noctua NH D14
    Corsair Vengeance Low profile DDR3 16GB
    Corsair Power Supply 860i
    Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB

    Plus two extra Nocua NF-F12 fans
    Gonna run it with windows 8.1

    Big thanks for the help picking the components guys, couldn't have done it without you. Now you just need to be ready for the "24/7 Code needs help to build his rig support" that all of BFB is going to get a taste of ;)
  10. Scorpiain

    Scorpiain Tagged Donator

    Code, Might be worth paying a little extra and getting DDR5 RAM - DDR 3 is the older school stuff and might feel the burn sooner rather than later. The speed on it is usually a fair bit lower too now.
  11. Saundie

    Saundie Prototype Staff Member Tagged

    What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? DDR5?
  12. Ralthen

    Ralthen Tagged

    only things thats use DDR5 as far as i know are gfx cards lol
  13. Immy

    Immy Tagged


    I think you are getting DDR3 system memory confused with GDDR5 -DDR5 graphics RAM
  14. Scorpiain

    Scorpiain Tagged Donator

    Typo. DDR4 :p
    Wait till the March release of it. (Or earlier if we are lucky)
  15. code001

    code001 Tagged

    Can't be arsed to wait until March, but thanks anyway ;)
  16. Immy

    Immy Tagged

    Final spec looks good. No graphics card? Have you ordered?
  17. Scorpiain

    Scorpiain Tagged Donator

    Its actually out this month (or so they say) but I suspect availability will be low and cost astronomical.. on the plus side this may cause some of the higher end DDR3 to come down in price.... One to watch for now
  18. code001

    code001 Tagged

    Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB is the gfx card I'm going for. The parts have arrived so the tinkering shall commence today! :D
  19. code001

    code001 Tagged

    ok So everything is installed and the computer is running! having some trouble with the GFX card though......
    Won't get any of my monitors to work with the GFX card. Only the mobo's internal GFX works...
    I have tried to install drivers from AMD, both manually and through their "auto-detect" thingy. Also tried to install drivers through the CD that came with the GFX card but that doesn't work either....
    I am running out of ideas here, would love some help here.
    Any of you guys got any suggestions on how to proceed?
  20. GFiSH

    GFiSH Staff Member Tagged Donator

    Have you checked the BIOS to see what the first graphics output is set to? Not all motherboards have this option, but when they do they tend to default to onboard, rather than PCI-E.
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